anyone hear rthese rumors about swizz?

[Cold Truth]

i heard swizz bought that track for "Good Times" from some kid in florida..... i also heard casio was suing him for melody jacking. these are likely just rumors, but you never know.... also, anyone know what ayatollah sampled on "My Life Remix"? also, has anyone here used rolands Variphrase Processor? im thinking about gettin one... all the specs and stuff look awesome... what do you think about getting rid of my roland xp-80 and getting a kurzweil 2000 to use with my mpc? sorry about all the questions.......:confused:

[Copenhagen]

The thing about rumours is that a lot of times there's a little truth to them...but who knows.

[BeatOff]

My brother in law is friends with the guy who made the good times beat. His name is Big Dawg or something like that i can upload it and post it for yall if you want. Swizz beats just added his own drums to it but he bought the beat for 20 grand. Big Dawg Is from Atlanta not fl.

[nasir jones]

i can upload it and post it for yall if you want.
WHY NOT??

[inrctyhoodmusic]

Sizz was being sued by Roland for the beat Down Bottom (drag On and Juvinile) it is a pre set melody in the roland sound moduels mostly in the jv and xv series I had the xv 3080 and with a push of a button that whole melody played out ....Roland didn't get anything from him because if they put it in the machine it is free domain and ment to be used ...But they tried

[milLion]

is swizz losing his creative edge???

[Cold Truth]

did he ever have one?

[milLion]

obviously somebody thought he did or we wouldn't even be saying his name right now

[T-Dash]

Hmmm...who knows with rumours. I'm still fiending to know if its true that Dre didn't produce 'In Da Club'! (If anyone knows if this is true or not...let me know)...

[CamCreationz]

Dre not producing In Da Club....I would definitley believe that. I doesnt really sound like anything Dre has done before. He might of co-produced it and had others inluence it. Like a group thing. Ive done that before.

[T-Dash]

I believe (just like 'Still Dre'), 'In Da Club' was produced by Scott Storch....a real dope producer who gets very little recognition. If this is true...its a shame he ain't getting the credit for one of the biggest songs of the year... :: sighs ::

[Cold Truth]

thats the way it usually is.... um.. Swizz makes hits. that doesnt mean he is creative. why do people always confuse creativity with play? yes, he sells, yes, he dominated the airwaves for a bit, but does that mean he was creative? same frickin horns in half his songs? so when he came with something different, he took it from someone else!!! thats not creatice. thats being a business man. big difference.

[inrctyhoodmusic]

Originally posted by milLion
obviously somebody thought he did or we wouldn't even be saying his name right now

His uncles own Ruff Ryders...if they weren't looking out for him he probally would be here with us getting negative feed back in the showcase

[Guevara]

hes not even listed as the producer for good times on the album, check the swizz beats solo shit, yall gotta start reading the production credits on these albums

[fame_keyz]

Originally posted by Guevara
hes not even listed as the producer for good times on the album, check the swizz beats solo shit, yall gotta start reading the production credits on these albums

He might not be(dont got time to check) but every magazine is giving him credit for the track.....even Styles his self is too by saying fullsail.

[Cold Truth]

hey guerva- i dont buy swizz's albums. i cant stand him, and that swhy i havent dont read the credits. i dont buy music from most artists now. i think its sad that the media even gives him credit- these are the people that are supposed to be "in the know"? hmmmm..... sounds like a bit of a benzino tip to me.........

[Treynine39]

Scott Storch does alot of tracks for Dre. Hip Hop heads need to wake up and hear with this cat can do. He's one of the nicest beatsmiths out there. But I give Dre credit for the arraingment and sound coming out correct, the real producing part of the job.

[Guevara]

aint that the truth, but goddamn these cats be runnin around like they really doin all this shit and they misleading people, i gotta side wit dj quik, "ill never put my name on beat that wasnt mine".

[MadScientist]

I never really cared for Swizz. I always thought he sounded like he was just pounding on keys ("Organized noise") He only came with about 2 or 3 beats that I ever liked.

Dr. Dre has always been a great producer but he doesn't really make beats. At the most he might make the drum track but usually he just supervises the song. And thats what producing really is. A real producer is responsible for the overall outcome of a song. If the song sucks its his fault. He doesnt have to have any musical talent just an ear for it. Some people have it some don't. Dre has it. If you make beats your, just a musician but if you take it to that next step of getting involved and overseeing the song to perfection then your a producer.

Check out my music at http://www.soundclick.com/bands/7/madscientistmusic.htm

[bigdmakintrax]

Most of the top Platinum producers have camps of other producers or buy tracks and get the rights.....some are never used for upcoming projects....but the thing is imagine these guys have a rack of hot beats at their disposal and what they do is, its sort of like a chop shop they get the beats from the other producers that work for hire in their respective production companies......thats the smart thing because the producers that work for hire create intellectual property and don't really own the full rights, the people that pay them do........but to make a long story short, if you have some picture in your head that looks like Dre in that commercial where he is brainstorming and making beats, it is probably not a true depiction of how Big Name producers make their tracks nowadays......I know that they even get ideas and concepts from other producers tracks and there is a certain level of thievery that happens.......anyhow just dig up a few dollars and attend some of the platinum producer conferences they have on the East coast and you hear it straight from them......

[MadScientist]

Thats some real talk. People always think Dre is behind the making of the beat. He is to certain degree but not the playing of instruments.

[T-Dash]

Hmmm....I agree to an extent but going back to the early 90's and shit when Dre was the big shot at Death Row and earlier than that when we was the guy behind the boards for NWA, Dre was making the beats and the melodies...so, what that suggest to me is that producers just gotta pay their dues....Dre can produce but if he doesn't have to and still gets paid whilst gettin' credit...I suppose he don't give a shit.

[changalang]

hear "dope money" from jadakiss and styles produced by swizz i think, it sounds like he did the drums and everything else and then started banging random notes on the piano

[bE@t Mr.ë?]

SWISSBEATS WAS HOT BUT WHEN HIS ALBUM CAME OUT HE TRYED TO BE SO DIFFRENT FROM BEFORE THAT IT WAS WHACK AND THE SAD THING IS THAT SWISSBEATS IS CREATIVE AND CHOOSES NOT TO USE IT ANYMORE BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE BITIN HIS STYLE WHEN HE WAS HOT. PEOPLE SHOULD READ THE CREDITS CLEARLY SWISS CO PRODUCED "GOOD TIMES" AND HE IS BEING SUED BY CASIO THATS LIKE 2 YEAR OLD NEWS IM SERIOUS WHEN I MEAN 2 YEAR OLD NEWS. BUT SWISS HAS HAD SOME MAJOR HEADBANGERS LIKE THAT ONE TRACK FROM RYDE OR DYE VOL.2 WITH HIM AND BUSTA RHYMES, ANOTHER ONE WAS SPIT THESE BARS BY DRAG-ON,AND "HOLD THAT" BY KASSIDY THATS ON BIG MIKES THE GETAWAY PART.1 .

[Cold Truth]

*yawn*..... yeah, i know it was old news, but i never heard what came of the situation. by the way, i learned that it was roland, not casio. no, swizz DID NOT- i repeat, DID NOT produce Good Times. we have seen the original ON THIS SIGHT and this wasnt even the site i learned that from. he bought it and changed the drums a little.... big wow. as far as dre being a "real" producer- overlooking the project- thats cool and all- but people need to et a grip and get off the mans nutts cause he aint doin the beats like everyone thinks he is. there are mad heads who are producers in that same respect but get zero credit because they dont carry the status that he does. if i make the beat, my name goes on it, unless its a very pretty penny used to buy it. i aint buying anything from someone else either....

[bigdmakintrax]

I owned a roland board (rs5)and the ruff ryders theme is one of the presets this was back about 2 years ago.....yes he stole it, what a loser and wack producer.........yeah an imma tell most of you the reason why hot producers buy tracks...or start production camps.........they get way too many projects to work on that need bangers each quarter.......and a lot of times they might not be the same kind of flavor.......and you know how hard it is to make a hot track every time you sit down to start a new track they don't have time to get in a slump and wait until they have a creative day.....

oh I take that back it might not have been the ruff ryders theme but it was one of those tracks that was hot for awhile.....if you ever play the preset you will ask yourself....damn roland put their track in here as a preset...LOL

[inrctyhoodmusic]

Originally posted by bigdmakintrax
oh I take that back it might not have been the ruff ryders theme but it was one of those tracks that was hot for awhile.....if you ever play the preset you will ask yourself....damn roland put their track in here as a preset...LOL

It was down bottom with drag on and juvinile

Originally posted by bE@t Mr.ë?
THE SAD THING IS THAT SWISSBEATS IS CREATIVE AND CHOOSES NOT TO USE IT ANYMORE BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE BITIN HIS STYLE WHEN HE WAS HOT.

The man doesn't have a creative bone in his body....he even stopped using the triton and started using the motif and still sounds like a production mess....This man had me affarid to touch a triton in fear of everything sounding like his but I've come to realizes that the machine has more than thescratch and other 5 sounds he used in every track ..And he's making the motif seem like is wack too...But after finding out things about the triton I know the motif is a damn good machine....I wonder who was bitting his style????If you knew what you were talking about you would know that sissy beats bit off of Dame Grease ....You should change your name to captin save a non creative producer

[milLion]

what's funny is that you cats are knocking these producers who managed to make a name for themselves -- whether connections, talent, or whatever (that don't really matter) -- but did you ever stop and think that they were once in your shoes -- and on a national level -- would they cop your track over producer x right now??? -- just put it in perspective people -- so what!!! -- if this producer or that producer doesn't completely touch his entire beat or is wack -- the people who truly appreciate it (average listeners) support them and their work -- too many people judge and criticize without even looking at themselves

and as for dre -- he does have several producers under his wing/camp -- many big names right now were somebody's apprentice along the way -- that's just how the game works now -- either accept it -- or be alone -- word up

[Cold Truth]

the average listener tends to think its not good unless you can dance to it. i stopped showing my tracks to 'the average listener" long ago, because the average listener wouldnt like the track without the rapper oveer it. the average listener doesnt really put any thought into it. cant count how many times i'll hear "it needs words", or "its cool, but i cant dance to this.."

i dont think the issue is that they are wack if they dont do it all themselves, buy it, etc.. its that while they do pay for it and it is technically theirs, it isnt a reflection of their own vision as an artist. isnt saying you like something judging it the same as not liking it? it just does it from a different perspective. when you do anything that has an enetertainment value, it will be picked apart and ravaged by critics. if it wasnt, we would all blindly listen to any and everything put out there. i expect many a critic when i "get there". we wouldnt even be talking about this guy if he didnt make an impact. he still sucks. i'm as positive as the next man, but a spade is aspade.

[TITO]

he is the in house produce for RR so even if he purchased the track and got all the right to it then its a done deal. he probly just changed a few things here and there.

swizz beatz name carries a lot of pull with the radio stations so you figure it out.

some of yall also have to realize that a producer dosent have to make beats he is maily responsible for arranging the song and making sure that the recording session goes smooth to get the best recording possible.

[Beatbrigade]

These cats are businessman, they know how to make $$$. for better or for worse!

[drew_petti]

just out of curiosity....

when copenhagen is editing all of your posts, what is he doing?

I'm not going to name names, but I got offered a production deal by a platinum producer a few months ago. He's worked with ALL of the big boys.

Check it out...

he wanted, 1/2 publishing (after going through a publishing co, that would leave me with 1/4 publishing at the most), 1/2 royalties, 1/2 of the flat fee........oh, and it was a 5 year, exclusive deal...how fucked up is that???...when I said that I wanted to negotiate, they acted like i didnt exist anymore......hahaha...funny.

all that I could think about after that...was how many producers had they jacked of their rights, and their creativity.

I really wanted to sign, but man....you gotta be kiddin' me.

so on that "accept it or be alone" comment....

I'm alone up in this bitch....but I can sell 50000 units in my city, gettin 6 bones per album...not to mention, I'm no one's slave....

[Copenhagen]

Originally posted by drew_petti
just out of curiosity....

when copenhagen is editing all of your posts, what is he doing?


Why don't you ask the man himself... ;)

drew_petti, most of the time I'm simply putting 2 posts together because a lot of people haven't learned to use the edit button when they forget stuff...so they just write a new post just after the last one. not so often, I might remove links to people who promote themselves other places than in the showcase forum or in their signature etc etc...

[drew_petti]

oh.

okay, cool...I was just curious...