View Full Version : The difference between PC's and samplers....
vitaminman
03-11-2003, 01:40 AM
Hey,
There aren't any! And as soon as I figure out how to attach images, I'll show you...
Nick
vitaminman
03-11-2003, 01:46 AM
Here we go...
You will notice that the guts of my Emu e6400 Ultra has the same type of guts as a computer, except that there is no mouse, the 'keyboard' is small and the 'monitor' is a backlit LCD.
You can use normal RAM that fits in a computer, you can use normal floppy drives fit in a computer, you can use normal SCSI and IDE drives that fit in a computer, you can connect it to external SCSI devices such as hard drives and CDROMS like a normal computer...
Gosh, I guess my sampler IS a computer!!
So here's the question: What is the difference between using a hardware sampler and using a computer?
Something to chew on...
Nick
BeatOff
03-11-2003, 02:38 AM
I've been knowing this thats why when idiots come on here bashing PC beats i can only shake my head.
Exactly. So much can be done on PC's, plus the screen is a lot bigger than a little display on a piece of hardware gear.
BeatOff
03-11-2003, 11:18 AM
Word I use the PC to chop up samples, you must be crazy to think i'm gonna make it harder on myself turning the MPC wheel to cut a sample, with a pc you can chop a sample to perfection to the very minut beginning that you would miss on the mpc or in the triton.
Copenhagen
03-12-2003, 12:30 PM
LOL!
BOSS AUTHORITY
03-12-2003, 02:29 PM
Word, sample editing is million times easier on a PC!
Programming beats with a keyboard and mouse is whack though. Need some sort of hardware with that shiot.
Briellz
03-12-2003, 03:22 PM
Cleaning and chopping up samples on the computer is great.
Im co-signing with BOSS AUTHORITY! Programming on the computer is wack!
stabster
03-12-2003, 06:14 PM
I agree, I chop and clean up my samples on the pc, but when it comes to programming, the mpc is my choice!
Some Guy
03-13-2003, 04:55 AM
Originally posted by BOSS AUTHORITY
Word, sample editing is million times easier on a PC!
Programming beats with a keyboard and mouse is whack though. Need some sort of hardware with that shiot.
Have any of yall heard of the Akai MPD-16? And midi controllers? And Emagic logic control? and Steinberg Houston? and Digidesign 002? I think Mackie makes one too. These are all hardware controllers for PC's. So you get the speed and power of a PC but with the hardware control. Best of both worlds.
When I make tracks on my PC I only use the mouse to do things that are impossible to do with hardware anywayz haha :fuckyou:
;)
Barock
03-13-2003, 12:46 PM
to do things the easiyer way, doesn't mean they are better. And there are things you can di with hardware that you can't with a computer.
I can understend PC heads, complainung about "PC beats are whack, get hardware" statements, but I've hardly seen PC head who don't try to tell ev'rybody and they momma, that they can do anything better, easier and cheaper with a PC instead of a MPC fo' example....
Some Guy
03-13-2003, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by Barock
to do things the easiyer way, doesn't mean they are better. And there are things you can di with hardware that you can't with a computer.
Such as?
I can understend PC heads, complainung about "PC beats are whack, get hardware" statements, but I've hardly seen PC head who don't try to tell ev'rybody and they momma, that they can do anything better, easier and cheaper with a PC instead of a MPC fo' example.... [/B]
I feel you. Computers are a hassle to set up. And they're unreliable. And they're fragile. And they're not as "Pro" (:rolleyes: ) as hardware. But once you get your gear workin right its hard to beat for a home studio. Unless you got loot to burn.
I'm not recommending a computer set up to anybody anymore becuase I told my friend to get a G4 with Logic about a year ago and he still doesnt have that shyte running smoothly. He would have been better off with a nice solid MPC2kxl. Computers aint for everybody.
afriquedeluxe
03-13-2003, 02:33 PM
i hope we dont talk of this debate nomore, cuz it can bring about endless points and arguements
vitaminman
03-13-2003, 02:43 PM
Hey,
Some of you are missing the point of the post...hardware samplers like that Emu and the MPC series ARE computers, they all have the similar components and run on software, I was trying to get people to explain the differences between the two so that both camps could have a better understanding of their gear.
And I don't mean reasons like 'yo, my mpc is dope, fo'RRREEEEAAAALLLLZZZZZ hollaa back'.
Some Guy brought up a good point: computers are a hassle to set up, unreliable and fragile, but once you get them configured properly they're hard to beat in a home studio.
No one will disagree that PC's are sometimes a pain, but what it is that makes them 'hard to beat' in a home studio?
Some Guy also said that PC's are 'not as pro'...why not?
Nick
BeatOff
03-13-2003, 02:58 PM
I think Some Guy was being Sarcastic, because I as well as him have heard the "Awww blood you use a PC thats weak professional producers use mpc's and tritons". I was in Guitar Center and these idiots were listining to Timbaland beats in the production room sayin dumb shit like, "Man you can tell he uses a computer with all those computer cheap goofy sounds he uses".
People have no idea what they are saying anymore. Soon they gonna be dissin hardware for being big and bulky. "Hardware is so 80s man get with the times" I use hardware by the way.
I think a lot of people are still stuck with the mentality that hardware is the way to go if you want professional recordings. The way I see it, since PCs are strongly used in professional studios - then obviously they can be used in a professional way.
As for your point vitaminman, I agree; both PCs and hardware have the same "guts" so to speak. Probably the reason why people have always been stuck on hardware is because PCs weren't as powerful years ago, so everyone turned to "pro" gear to record.
Some Guy
03-13-2003, 04:40 PM
Originally posted by vitaminman
Hey,
No one will disagree that PC's are sometimes a pain, but what it is that makes them 'hard to beat' in a home studio?
Some Guy also said that PC's are 'not as pro'...why not?
Nick
Wassup Vitamin. I think what makes computers hard to beat in the home studio is that you can get over a hundred tracks of audio, and almost unlimited sample size, and greater editiing power, and easy cheap expandability, all for a fraction of the cost of hardware. I mean a good digital 24 track is atleast 3 g's not including effects boards etc. And it has nowhere near the power of a PC as far as editing and expandability.
Oh and I dont think PC's aint pro. I was being sarcastic becuase most folks I talk to say stupid shit like: "Making tracks on a PC aint Pro". Which I think is funny cuz my PC does a thousand things that even the MPC-4k cant do. But oh well, I dont even argue with folks like that.
Everybody should use what they want. They're all computers.
Barock
03-15-2003, 05:32 AM
Originally posted by Some Guy
Such as?
well, does your computer has drum pads? does he has knobs and potis for an easy and "real" feeling or use?
No, you have a mouse and a keyboard, and I hate this crap....
vitaminman
03-15-2003, 07:08 AM
Hey,
You can get drum pads and knobs that not only emulate the ones found on hardware, but they can be programmed to control sequencers like Cubase and other hardware synths.
Even Akai is feeling the heat, they are about to release software versions of their hardware samplers and they have already put on the market a drum pad identical to the one found on the MPC series. The drum pad can also be programmed to control other things...
What are some things you can do with hardware that you can't do with a computer? NOTHING in theory, because hardware like the MPC is actually a computer...however, in practice, the reality is that hardware is generally more stable because it was designed from the ground up to do one thing and one thing only. It only runs an operating system and sampler/sequencing program, it stores sample data in RAM, it records MIDI events and plays them back, and it allows you to do basic editing of MIDI and audio data.
Hardware is also a heck of a lot more portable and solid than a computer, this is important for doing live shows or bringing gear over to a friend's house. I just purchased a hardware sampler for this reason, I don't quite trust computers yet to stand up to the wear and tear of setting up, playing and tearing down.
And harware is cooler than computers...I have 9 hardware synths and only one software synth....:D Nothing wows the ladies more than going into my studio and seeing all those lights and buttons, it definitely makes my willy wobble.
Take care,
Nick
HaZwaiOh
03-15-2003, 07:53 AM
as itīs already been said: a samplerīs sole purpose is receiving midi data, editting samples and playing them back.
Samplers are more stable than a computer because they cannot be upgraded with components. you canīt buy a graphic board, video card, keyboard, wireless lan card or whatever for it. there is no stuff like a registry or poorly programmed drivers and there are no other companies but the manufacturer (akai, emu, roland etc.) that supply extensions, so everything should run smoothly and their shouldnīt be any compatibility issues. But as soon as you try to hook up your sampler to some non-akai manufactured device (scsi card etc.) you might start to experience problems.
Barock
03-15-2003, 09:19 AM
Originally posted by vitaminman
Hey,
You can get drum pads and knobs that not only emulate the ones found on hardware, but they can be programmed to control sequencers like Cubase and other hardware synths.
Even Akai is feeling the heat, they are about to release software versions of their hardware samplers and they have already put on the market a drum pad identical to the one found on the MPC series. The drum pad can also be programmed to control other things...
yeah, of course you can buy MIDI-controlllers for a computer, but that is... aditional hardware.... a computer doesn't have build in knobs, controllers and stuff. So that'S tha big differens, a MPC is biuld fpe one purpose and serves that one purpose well, a Computer ins not...
BeatOff
03-15-2003, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by Barock
yeah, of course you can buy MIDI-controlllers for a computer, but that is... aditional hardware.... a computer doesn't have build in knobs, controllers and stuff. So that'S tha big differens, a MPC is biuld fpe one purpose and serves that one purpose well, a Computer ins not... People run MPC's to the computer as well as all other hardware. Who said the computer is not built for that? A computer can be made to be used anyway you want.
ThePryme
03-15-2003, 01:30 PM
All I have to say is you cant make music and look at naked girls at the same time on hardware :-D
Copenhagen
03-15-2003, 02:07 PM
Originally posted by ThePryme
All I have to say is you cant make music and look at naked girls at the same time on hardware :-D
Very good point...LOL! Hardware users...you loose! ha ha.
But then again, hardware users who's got a lot of gear probably get random pussy for just having the gear...once again, its a tie.
ThePryme
03-15-2003, 02:28 PM
lol that statement is only true if you can get random pussy without the hardware. In that case you have more problem then whether or not you should use "hardware" or a computer.
my hardware set up has got me pussy every time! like, "ohhh....nice equipment!!!" my pc hasnt impressed too many chicks yet..
Some Guy
03-15-2003, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by Barock
well, does your computer has drum pads? does he has knobs and potis for an easy and "real" feeling or use?
No, you have a mouse and a keyboard, and I hate this crap....
http://www.akaipro.com/consumersite/productpage2.asp?id=146§ion= :fuckyou:
Barock
03-15-2003, 05:36 PM
thank you dickhead ;) ... plz read my posts carefully. As I said, a computer does not have build in drum-pads. Of course you can buy midi controllers such as those pads, but they are aditional hardware, and not a PC or mac with software
n'aamsayin'?
Some Guy
03-15-2003, 07:48 PM
Originally posted by Barock
thank you dickhead ;) ... plz read my posts carefully. As I said, a computer does not have build in drum-pads. Of course you can buy midi controllers such as those pads, but they are aditional hardware, and not a PC or mac with software
n'aamsayin'?
Hey smart guy.... MPC's dont have built in sounds. Does that mean you cant make music with them? What does buying extra gear have to do with anything? I punch my drums in just like you. Except after I'm done playing them I can see each note I played on a giant screen and move shit around how I want, and also I have about 5000 times more memory, and about 100 times the editing speed and capabilities. And if that wasnt enough I can also record vocals and master and burn my tracks all inside the same program. I like the MPC for its simplicity and stability but as far as features its like comparing a VWbug to a Helicopter. It gets shitted on.
Why try to clown computers when you obviously dont know what they're capabel of.? Just cuz you got a MPC dont mean you gotta hate on everything else. The point of this thread was to show that Hardware and Computers are made from the same shit so neither is more professional than the other one. I mean cant we all just get along?haha. But seriously.........:fuckyou:
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