It's Not What You Have It's What You Can Do

[inrctyhoodmusic]

After looking at a lot of the post in the Production Equipment thread I would just like to say that a person can have an MPC4000 with every top sound module out and still be wack as hell..........Look at Swizz Beatz ......This guy made millions off of bullshit and the only thing about his style has changed is that he might sample a lil more in his case he was lucky ....because if Dee and Wah ( co-founders of ruff ryders and his uncles!!!! ) He wouldn't have made a dime and you hear some tracks on fruity loops that sounds 100 times better than any of his......Me I have fruity loops but I don't have the patients for making beats on th pc but I do have a mpc200xl I was running with an asrx but I Just got a triton Rack mount....at first I was scared to get it because of Swizz Beatz he made the keyboard seem as if it can only sound one way but after using it for about 2 months I must say that Swizz is truly Talentless and lazy The mahine has many sounds and it depends on the user on how it comes out...... One thing I used to do with fruity loops is sample the sounds into the mpc ..... In conclusion wether you use hardware or software
if you're hungry and willing to work hard you're going to end up making some shit..........My cousin also produces and he sold 4 tracks from fruity loops to another producer that's in the game.....

[BeatOff]

Some people on here are brainwashed with the whole hardware obsession. As for swizz beats he's a joke. You know he didnt even produce that "Good Times" beat for Styles P. He bought it from some cat in Atlanta who made it for this rapper named Big Dawg or something for 20 grand then stamped his name on it. If i can get a copy from my sister of the original one for big dog i'll post it up for all yall to see this fuckin phony.

[Fade]

Swizz sucks ass. If that's true with him buying a beat from another producer, that's just wack, he shouldn't be considered a producer then.

But yeah the whole hardware thing is played out. It's nice to have a little of both, I'm not saying that a person with just FruityLoops is gonna win a grammy, but they can do some serious damage.

[Copenhagen]

There's a lot of my thoughts being shared here...;)

[BeatOff]

Oh believe me its 100% the truth about swizz i'll post that shit up for yall i'm gonna have my sister send me the track

[Fade]

Yo FUCK your sister! LOL, j/k. Ya post that up when you get it.

[inrctyhoodmusic]

Fade- I wouldn't say hardware is played out....Hardware is needed period......If a person has to pay for studio time there are a lot of studios don't have pc's or the software....Hardware is a must but if used properly with software you can have the ultimate 1 - 2 punch.........I just started getting in to laying shit down with an artits I have and cubase works wonders with vocals and gives you the 50$ an hour studio sound you need

Fade and Beat off-- Here in New york there are just as many ghost producers as there are ghost writters........Clark kent , RZA , Mannie Fresh (not in new york but still doesn't always make his own ) and many others buy beats to stamp their name on it......My cousin Got 20 G's for the four he sold......5 G's a joint from one of the names mentioned

[MarkN]

yep i agree you can have all the gear in the world as swizz beatz no doubt has and still be put out wack beats ! True talent can make a beat out of anything ! Thats the difference between a dope producer and a shit producer one can make a beat out of anything and the other can be given all the latest shit and will still sound wack !

[Copenhagen]

Only means that we all got a chance...

[inrctyhoodmusic]

I'm 100% sure that if more than have of us on illmuzik had uncles with long money and a record lable we would be rich but we have to work for it ......But as we all see it's not what you know it's who you know...........Not many people want things handed to them I'm one of them if it was handed it to me I wouldn't be able to be happy.......WITHOUT A STRUGGLE SUCESS IS NOT ENJOYABLE

[Fade]

Sorry, I didn't mean that hardware is played out, I meant that the whole hardware "debate" is played out!

But ya hardware + software is the best setup nowadays.

[Ques]

on the minds of many, you cant put all on those who buy or produce. the only thing that matter is what can you do with it. software is a luxury and hardward is gold. what really needs to be done. more site and info on the art from heads who are willing to put real skillz to the test. me, myself and swizz know what i talking about. need a beat yo put ques on.




Skillz - ghostwriter

[BeatOff]

Originally posted by Ques
on the minds of many, you cant put all on those who buy or produce. the only thing that matter is what can you do with it. software is a luxury and hardward is gold. what really needs to be done. more site and info on the art from heads who are willing to put real skillz to the test. me, myself and swizz know what i talking about. need a beat yo put ques on.




Skillz - ghostwriter :confused: :confused: :confused:

[Barock]

It is true, good equipment doesn't make you a good producer.... but bad equipment might make you a bad producer... I all depends on your very own production-style. I for myself think tha software is sometimes overrated to...

P.S. I don't like Swizz.... Didn't DMX called his music "whiteboymusic"? ;)

[Mcrob]

It is good to start off of the software especially if you can't afford the hardware but I believe that it's benefical to have hardware because of the things that it can do. Personally I am saving my money for the mpc 2000xl and I am not going to automatically say that I am wicked just as I purchase it! Once you learn your equipment inside out then you are wicked....

and yes Swish Beats is fucking shit. His beats sucks

[BeatOff]

Originally posted by Mcrob
It is good to start off of the software especially if you can't afford the hardware but I believe that it's benefical to have hardware because of the things that it can do. Personally I am saving my money for the mpc 2000xl and I am not going to automatically say that I am wicked just as I purchase it! Once you learn your equipment inside out then you are wicked....

and yes Swish Beats is fucking shit. His beats sucks

I'm just curious as to "The things that hardware can do" you do realize most hardware technology is over 10 years old. So what does hardware do that software cant? A mpc can only hold 32 megs of ram vs my computer that holds over 600 megs. I have a MPC and trust me it makes things more difficult than they should be.

[D-Cypha Soulz]

yo computers programs are just as good if not better than mpcs and shit...mpc's, sp-1200, shit that's a computer too, just smalller...

[Treynine39]

Damn, ya'll got it made. I've been producing tracks for years with only a Roland MC 505 and a digital 4 track. But cats are feeling my tracks, so it's all good.

[J Cro]

its all about the creativity. there are guys who can beatbox better shit then some people can produce. and thats jus using ur vocal chords.

hardware vs software.. lol vs vocal chords.. it doesnt matter. its all a matter of the creative force behind the music

[joeburnem]

Software is great. I've just begun to use Plasma.
When I use this program I feel like I 'm cheating a little.

I much rather make tracks with my Akai S20 & s950. The music has a very raw feel.

[inrctyhoodmusic]

JoeBurnem - the akaia s900 was my first machine and the fan went out in it....it was a damn good machine I wish I still had it.....I like the s 3000 or whatever thousand it is it looks very nice and has a detachable face.....but I'm going to get my s900 looked at because I had a lot of shit in there that I can't find in any moduel I had ashit load of samples in that thing

[HaZwaiOh]

i think the s900 uses a standard fan. open up the machine and take the fan to your dealer. I´m sure you can replace it with a 10$ fan.

[Scholar]

prob a comp fan..lol

[inrctyhoodmusic]

Thanks Hazwaioh......When I started this thread it was to show how computers and hardware go hand and hand and a lot of you don't seem to understand that one isn't better than the other...It's about creativity after all the thread is called IT'S NOT WHAT YOU HAVE BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO

[Scholar]

you know its funny i love the mpc series but i found myself looking for stuff to make my samples a lil different so now im selling my MPC and looking into Comp setup. i know that it wont make me better it will just open the door a ll wider for me to make my self better.

ONE!

[Barock]

Yo, Going4Broke... I use my Comp for editing my samples, but use tha MPC for sequencing and stuff... Shure you'll sell it? I mean you self said that you love the MPC, so why not usin it?

[Scholar]

i just know that i can do so much more on a comp. its alot faster i can load alot more sounds into it. i could save for a mpc4000 but why pay all that money when i can build a comp and get software for a whole lot cheaper and do a whole lot more.

[inrctyhoodmusic]

Going 4broke - it sounds like you all together given up on hardware and you make it seem as if you can't do anything with hardware and you're using a computer as a cop outmaybe you don't have the patients but it takes a whole lot more patients to try to produce from a computer and software if anything you would buy a midi adapter to run from pc to your mpc they even have usb midi ...if you know how to use the mpc you wouldn't get rid of it just like that you would use it together that way you could load the sounds in your computer control and sequnece them with the mpc if you know how to use the mpc you would think of ways to use it with your computer.....Like I said before software and hardware go hand in hand it's not what you hae but what you can do with what you have no disrespect intended but if you can't do anything with the mpc what makes you think you can do something with a computer?

[BeatOff]

I think what he's saying is that when you get a computer set up you can get a 124 track mixer along with everything else vs paying 75 grand for the hardware version. You can get an entire studio in your computer vs a giant room.

[Scholar]

this is what i am saying i have a roland xp60 and i love it way more then a MPC i love my mpc but lets be honest if you could have a MPC 4000 you would right? now look at computer i can do all that a MPC 4000 can with a computer and still look at a movie or anything else. im not knocking it but come on i see more on a screen then you can and if you really want to go deep look in your MPC ram, cpu, screen. keyboard(pads), you're really working a computer you just dont see it. beat off said what im thinking. i have a fully loaded MPC if you want let me know shit $900 its yours, but im going computer i have ill skills and i make money doing what i do. sorry you feel the way you do.

[Fade]

It would be cool if the MPC could be hooked up to a computer monitor!

[Scholar]

u know what would be the illest if they made a software like the MPC! you could load all of your sequences and all of your sounds now that would be dope!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[vitaminman]

Hey,

You can! Just get something like Kontakt; it will read Akai programs and play MIDI files. All you have to do is export from the MPC your sequences as a MIDI file and your sounds as an Akai program, then bring them into Kontakt.

Take care,

Nick

[Scholar]

cant halion do that as well?

[joeburnem]

KEEP ALL HARDWARE!
Hold that MPC, hold that 950, love it, cherrish it.

My comp crashed. I lost every sample stored on the hard drive. I forgot to update my disc for storage.

That never happens with my Akais. I have 3 or 4 Timbo boxes of 3.5's that will never go away.

[Barock]

The thing 'bout a bigger monitor was mentioned earlier. But I think, that if you hook your MPC via MIDI to your copmp, there wouldn't be any problems... because it's about music, it's not what you SEE it's what you can HEARE!

[BeatOff]

Originally posted by joeburnem
KEEP ALL HARDWARE!
Hold that MPC, hold that 950, love it, cherrish it.

My comp crashed. I lost every sample stored on the hard drive. I forgot to update my disc for storage.

That never happens with my Akais. I have 3 or 4 Timbo boxes of 3.5's that will never go away.

Why wouldnt you back all your samples up on a CD? Its the same thing. I've known people who's MPC Froze on them and they lost a beat they were working of for days. If you save as you go along there should be no problem of this. Not to mention the MPC display can burn out over time.

[joeburnem]

Hardware

I still say it is just as important as software based stuff.

An SP or MPC and some vinyl, come on! That what it's about.
Sore fingertips and worned down pads from those beat makin' all-nighters... I love it. And I know all you cats out there love it, too. so hold what you got cause Large Prof, Diamond D & Lord Finesse
are going to make us all fans again.

[Funkworm]

I hear you joe but I've gone completely software and I got to tell you, nothing compares to the editing or tweaking I can do inside my computer. I've converted my whole MPC library (and this took a looong time) to wav files so that I could use them with my software samplers. You're talking about a guy whose survival kit consisted of my MPC, food and water (in that order). But now she's just a midi controler because I still like the feel of her pads.

I have heard that there's a software program that allows you to control,dump, and organize your library for the MPC 4000

[Barock]

@FUnkworm.. I do almos the same like you... using the MPC as a MIDI Controller, and editing twisting chopping etc. everything on my comp. I think a MPC and Comp. work perfectly together...

[Some Guy]

Originally posted by joeburnem
KEEP ALL HARDWARE!
Hold that MPC, hold that 950, love it, cherrish it.

My comp crashed. I lost every sample stored on the hard drive. I forgot to update my disc for storage.

That never happens with my Akais. I have 3 or 4 Timbo boxes of 3.5's that will never go away.

Why dont you take 486 of those floppies and put them all on one CD? Or you can put over 2900 floppies on one DVD if you have that many. 4 boxes of floppies equals what?....2 cd's worth. Not very impressive. To top it all off floppies are probably more fragile than CD's. Whats the point of using them anymore? To "keep it real" haha. :p

[BOSS AUTHORITY]

Hardware is definitely dope. You see anyone performing with a laptop? That's pretty whack! That's like a DJ "spinning" using PCDJ or shit like that. I'm not dissing software, it's all good.

[L-LaMENT]

I think it doesn't matter if you have a million dollar setup or a 200 dollar setup, skill is skill no matter how low quality it sounds (of course that doesn't mean you can come up with some seriously distorted crap... common sense.)

[capkom]

Since producing isn't a live performance it doesn't matter what you use. Producers aren't dj's! Hip hop has been using new technology from the start. I bet when everything first started there was a big discussion on a live band vs. a drum machine or sequencer. Everybody needs to accept that technology is advancing. If u like what u have keep it, but a laptop can do what u need it to with the right equipment and software. We're talking about makin beats here, not the total recording process. This site is the home for Hip-Hop producers, not engineers. Everything gets mastered in a studio(on some sort of computer) later on. It doesn't matter if a rapper writes his flows down on paper, or types them using a pda- the skill is the same. It's the same with beats. be the best you can on your machine, whatever it is!

[Some Guy]

Originally posted by capkom
Since producing isn't a live performance it doesn't matter what you use. Producers aren't dj's! Hip hop has been using new technology from the start. I bet when everything first started there was a big discussion on a live band vs. a drum machine or sequencer. Everybody needs to accept that technology is advancing. If u like what u have keep it, but a laptop can do what u need it to with the right equipment and software. We're talking about makin beats here, not the total recording process. This site is the home for Hip-Hop producers, not engineers. Everything gets mastered in a studio(on some sort of computer) later on. It doesn't matter if a rapper writes his flows down on paper, or types them using a pda- the skill is the same. It's the same with beats. be the best you can on your machine, whatever it is!

Thats what Im talkin bout. :cool:

[BOSS AUTHORITY]

Yeah but a large portion of hip-hop producers are DJs and therefor need equipment for live performances...

[inrctyhoodmusic]

Yeah but a large portion of hip-hop producers are DJs and therefor need equipment for live performances...

There are very few Dj's that are producers and a lot of the dj's that have become producers.....(excluding Dr . Dre ) are not as sucessful as producers look at Kid Kapri Irv Gotti was a Dj for many years before Murder pink sorry I meant stink opps sink no I belive it's murda inc...But Irv doesn't produce anything he had a team of about 10 producers and then he got Seven from rap a lot and jacked him for all the credit just like he did the rest of them ....so to say a large portion of producers are Dj's is other than the truth

[BeatOff]

Originally posted by BOSS AUTHORITY
Yeah but a large portion of hip-hop producers are DJs and therefor need equipment for live performances...

Like what 1200's adn a mixer? what else what a dj need for live performances?

[BOSS AUTHORITY]

Originally posted by BeatOff
Like what 1200's adn a mixer? what else what a dj need for live performances?

Yeah, those would help. Obviously you guys don't get out to too many hip-hop shows. Most guys use DATs or minidsics or whatever, but real heads use samplers and drum machines during there performances. I saw Anti-pop consortium and they based a large part of their performance on their drum machine/ sampler. I'm just sayin for all the people who claim software is equivalent or better than gear, it will never be able to replace it in that sense. Word.
-BOSS AUTHORITY

[BeatOff]

Originally posted by BOSS AUTHORITY
Yeah, those would help. Obviously you guys don't get out to too many hip-hop shows. Most guys use DATs or minidsics or whatever, but real heads use samplers and drum machines during there performances. I saw Anti-pop consortium and they based a large part of their performance on their drum machine/ sampler. I'm just sayin for all the people who claim software is equivalent or better than gear, it will never be able to replace it in that sense. Word.
-BOSS AUTHORITY

LOL is that so. You have no idea who your talking to.

[BOSS AUTHORITY]

You have no idea who YOU are talking to

-BOSS AUTHORITY

[Copenhagen]

Looks like people are running out of ideas...:D

You can use both and people probably don't care if you're playing live with hardware or with software f.x. with midi controllers. Once again, whatever suits you best is what works...

[inrctyhoodmusic]

Copenhagen
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Looks like people are running out of ideas...

You can use both and people probably don't care if you're playing live with hardware or with software f.x. with midi controllers. Once again, whatever works suits you best is what works...

Thanks a lot copen.....these people don't seem to get what the thread is...it's not what you have It's what you can do with it

[BoogieMan]

Yo... outboard gear (hardware) is always good to have. It's what sets the breeds apart. Software has made beat making affordable to everybody and it seems that everybody and their mommas are trying it. Fruity Loops, Acid Pro, Cakewalk and Reason, to name a few, have made bedroom producers out of many. Not that I'm knocking them, as I use all of them as well because they have great sounds. But mostly I'll sample the sounds into my MPC and flip the track like that. I dunno... to me, something about banging out a beat on my MPC is better than clicking one out on my PC. :P

[BOSS AUTHORITY]

Originally posted by BoogieMan
Yo... outboard gear (hardware) is always good to have. It's what sets the breeds apart. Software has made beat making affordable to everybody and it seems that everybody and their mommas are trying it. Fruity Loops, Acid Pro, Cakewalk and Reason, to name a few, have made bedroom producers out of many. Not that I'm knocking them, as I use all of them as well because they have great sounds. But mostly I'll sample the sounds into my MPC and flip the track like that. I dunno... to me, something about banging out a beat on my MPC is better than clicking one out on my PC. :P


-> Word

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[Copenhagen]

You can do the same with a MPC as you can with a PC and sequencer...we already had that discussion...let's not go there again.
What might be cool for some might be a pain for others...

Anyway, I was just reminded of something. In FruityLoops, someone has made a cover of Aaliyah's "Try again", which is incl. in the program. I haven't used FruityLoops in a long time but as far as I remember it was only the sounds that varied from the original...which only goes to show that you can make tight beats in a pc based sequencer if you spend money on the right sample CD's...almost all instruments are to be found on Sample CD's these days.

[Some Guy]

Originally posted by Copenhagen
You can do the same with a MPC as you can with a PC and sequencer...we already had that discussion...let's not go there again.
What might be cool for some might be a pain for others...

Anyway, I was just reminded of something. In FruityLoops, someone has made a cover of Aaliyah's "Try again", which is incl. in the program. I haven't used FruityLoops in a long time but as far as I remember it was only the sounds that varied from the original...which only goes to show that you can make tight beats in a pc based sequencer if you spend money on the right sample CD's...almost all instruments are to be found on Sample CD's these days.

-> Word

[inrctyhoodmusic]

Hardware and Software together is like peanut butter and Jelly..With both you can do a lot but if you have one and not the other you still can make a sandwhich

[Beatbrigade]

many producers make amazing tracks with a record collection and an mpc............gear is nice, but you cannot buy talent

[Copenhagen]

Just like a few other threads, this one has been around the block a few times and I think it's time to put it to rest.

Thread closed.