Cool Edit Pro For The Mac

[Mcrob]

I am planning on getting a mac for the music production. I am a big fan of the cool edit pro 2000 and was wondering if it would work on the mac.

[vitaminman]

Hey,

No. It won't work on the Mac, and it will never work on the Mac, unless something drastic happens to the company.

FYI There are two versions of the program: Cool Edit Pro 2.0 and Cool Edit 2000, they are completely separate programs.

There are other programs for the Mac which will do most of what CE can do, like Peak and Spark. If you're set on using a Mac, you should check into those.

Otherwise, get a PC. They're cheaper and more people use them than Macs...you can even build your own if you have a limited knowledge of how computers work.


Take care,

Nick

[Mcrob]

Yeah I am going to invest for a MAC because I am currently running windows xp and pro tools doesn't work for it. I also have a roland um-1 usb interface and the driver doesn't work on windows xp. I disagree at the fact that people are actually using pc over mac for music productions because of the pro tools program (and others) plus I need one for making a website and graphics.

ez

[Mcrob]

Oh wait what about soundforge? Will that work on Macintosh as well? And with pro tools can you edited the wav files like you can with cool edit pro?

ez

[Fade]

Not that I know of, I think SoundForge is for the PC only also.

http://www.sonicfoundry.com/products/showproduct.asp?PID=668&FeatureID=6663

[Mcrob]

ok cool fuck soundforge then.. what about pro tools? Can't you editor the wav files like you can with cool edit pro?

[Fade]

You can check it all out here: http://www.digidesign.com/ptfree/

[Copenhagen]

As far as know, you can't edit in ProTools...but then again...I use ProTools for mastering, mixing, applying effects etc...so I haven't look in to all the other features yet...I've only had it for 2-3 months and am still learning...but check the site.

[vitaminman]

Hey,

This is simply not true that more people use Macs for music than PC's...I believe that 90% of the world's computers run Windows, are you saying that the small population of the remaining 8-9% who do music outweigh the population of those doing it on a PC?

Just look at all the apps available for PC nowadays, they only exist because there is a market for them: in wave editors alone, I can list 6 off the top of my head for PC and only 3 for the Mac.

Multitrack programs? The same.

However, I do believe that more people are using Mac at a professional level than PC, and this is because Macs have been doing this level of audio a lot longer than PC's have. Studios have invested time and money into their Mac systems running ProTools, they aren't going to give them up to replace them with cheaper PC's because there's 10+ years of software, hardware and experience locked into them.

However, this is slowly changing, you only have to go to trade shows like NAMM or AES to see how many PC booths are there...

Don't invest in the Mac for Pro Tools just yet...Apple recently bought out Emagic, who was a competitor of Pro Tools. Now that they're in bed together, Digidesign may want to pass on the Mac in favor of the PC so that it doesn't have to compete with both Apple AND Emagic. This is just a business prediction...

From what I've read and heard from users Pro Tools isn't any better or worse than anything else out there; its big advantage is that all your stuff will be compatible with what the bigger studios are using. You can automate just about anything, and you get the luxury of saying, "I use Pro Tools".

I've also heard that its MIDI implementation is crap, but maybe that was fixed under v. 6?

As for graphics...hasn't anyone figured out yet that you can get Photoshop, Illustrator and Quark on a PC yet? I've been using them on my PC for 5+ years now and made a small fortune doing graphic design at my last job...you don't need a Mac to do graphics.

So, your options for wave editors on the Mac are Spark and Peak. If you want similar functionality of CEP20 on a Mac, you'll have to get one of those, Deck for the multitrack, and Raygun for the noise reduction/restoration. This should run you just under $1000.


Take care,

Nick

PS: We own 2 G4's and a G3 Powerbook, all running 9.1 and 10.2., as well as 2 PIII's and a PIV, running 98se and 2000/XP...

[HaZwaiOh]

you want to switch to mac just because you don´t get the right driver and your windows is not running? that´s crazy.

[Mcrob]

no because I want web/graphic/music production.

[Mcrob]

wait vitmainman......

Do you prefer pc over mac or you were just expressing your opinion?

[Some Guy]

Hay you can edit just fine with PT man thats what its for. So dont trip about wave editors on a mac if you have PT.

This is a quote from the digidesign site:

"System Software: Windows XP Professional or Home Edition (Pro Tools LE 5.3.1 can NOT be installed on systems running Windows 98, Me, 2000, NT, 95, or 3.1)"

You might wanna do some more research about the XP compatability before you make the switch.

[vitaminman]

Hey,

Do I prefer PC over Mac? Not necessarily...they're both computers with a case, operating system, software, video card, RAM, hard drive, sound card, etc.

They both take the same RAM, hard drives, video and sound cards, printers, USB devices, etc. All the bits and pieces in my PCs can be removed and put into my Macs without even blinking.

The only difference is that Macs use Motorola based processors which calculate numbers in one direction; PC's use Intel based processors which calculate numbers in the other direction. There are other differences in the processors in how they handle instructions, I don't understand how this works and don't care to...

What really sets the two machines apart are the softwares which can be run on them. Once upon a time many many moons ago one could only do graphics and audio on Mac computers (and Amiga and Atari) because those were the platforms that companies like Digidesign and Adobe chose to develop on. At the time I'm sure that there were reasons why they chose these computers, maybe it was the stigma that PC's were designed for business, Amigas for games, etc. It was before my time...

Another thing was that Macs forced you to allocate a predefined amount of RAM to a specific program. This was good because you were always assured that x amopunt of RAM would always be used for that program; the disadvantage was that if you ran out of RAM, you would have to shut down the program and allocate more RAM to it. PC's worked with virtual RAM which was essentially a swap file on your hard drive. The advantage was that you never ran out of memory; the disadvantage was that on big projects performance was slow.

Now that RAM is so cheap I don't think that this is much of an issue, and XP allows you to allocate RAM like Macs do.

However, the Amiga and Atari disappeared and left behind the PC and Mac. Apple chose to keep their systems 'closed', PC's are completely open.

The advantage of the Mac way is that they keep closer control over what goes in and out of their machines; the disadvantage is that it becomes very expensive and you don't have as much choice.

The advantage of the PC way is that it allows for 3rd parties to easily develop products for them, users can customise them more easily, and it's cheaper; the disadvantage is that when developing software and drivers the programmers have to take into consideration that there are infinite configurations to look out for. Provided that everyone follows the rules as laid out by Microsoft, everything should work...

So both platforms have their pluses and minuses, neither is better or worse than the other in my experience...and I speak from experience because I own both Macs and PCs.

I choose to use PCs for audio because they're cheaper to buy and there are more options out there for me. I just built a PIV 2.5 ghz machine with an 80 gig drive, 512mb RAM, and a bunch of other goodies for under $700, it's been set up the way I want it from the ground up, and it is compatible with all the software I own. To do the same on a Mac would cost me almost twice as much, and I would be forced to only have one cd drive and no place for the convertor box of my soundcard. I don't know if it would perform any better or worse than a similar configuration on one of my Macs, but the price is certainly more attractive.

As for graphics and web design, our net department does EVERYTHING on the PC, including the servers, databases, backbone and front end. The graphics are done on a Mac because that the computer our designer was brought up on, he is used to its OS and he likes the way the computer 'looks' on his desktop. All the files are cross platform and can be opened from any machine on the network provided that they have the right software. It used to be an issue when the softwares weren't available for PC; now that it is available for PC it is no longer an issue.

So, to answer your question, I am expressing my opinions based on experience and cold facts: you don't need a Mac anymore to do web, graphics and audio...anyone who says that you do is an idiot and doesn't know what he's talking about.

However, if you like the way the operating system works, the way they look on your desktop and the 'cult' factor, then the Mac is a great computer to have and you should get one.

Take care,

Nick

[Some Guy]

Originally posted by vitaminman
Hey,


So, to answer your question, I am expressing my opinions based on experience and cold facts: you don't need a Mac anymore to do web, graphics and audio...anyone who says that you do is an idiot and doesn't know what he's talking about.


Nick

I couldnt have said it better myself :cool: .

[Mcrob]

Ok which one is easier to install ram, gigs and stuff.

[vitaminman]

Hey,

It will be easier on the Mac because when you buy it, everything will be already installed : )

As for upgrading stuff, it's easier on my PC because the case I bought has easy access to drives and RAM, with the Mac we have to clear off a lot of space on the desk to pop open the cases, and the drives are sort of wedged at the bottom.

This should not be a reason to buy a computer though, because you only upgrade once or twice in the lifetime of the computer, and it normally only takes an hour...

Take care,

Nick

[Mcrob]

yeah I made my decision....................

I am getting a mac g4.............after I get an mpc 2000xl

thank you all for your opinions.....

ez

[Some Guy]

Originally posted by Mcrob
yeah I made my decision....................

I am getting a mac g4.............after I get an mpc 2000xl

thank you all for your opinions.....

ez

Sounds good man. You might wanna wait for a few months until the G5's come out. They're supposed to be fast.

[vitaminman]

Hey,

Ahhh....the fun you will have with Mac...you buy something cool, then two months later they release something new at Mac World that is twice as fast and half the price...

If you wait a few months now, someone else will tell you wait a few more months for the 'new G5 with the superduper velocity engine mkIV with more bells and whistles than ever!', then when you do try to get it someone else tells you to wait six more months etc.

The point is, just get the damn thing, waiting will only drive you nuts!

Take care,

Nick

[MaximeRobin]

Anyway, if your computer sur only doing midi stuf (because you would have a sampler), you can get a G3. If you go all software it's another thing tho.

[Mcrob]

I can't find any G3's anywhere. They said that they don't sell thoses computers anymore.

[MaximeRobin]

imacs are g3.... I would suggest if you are ready to pay for a desktop G4, get a ibook. If you got to make music on the move sometimes a desktop computer is really a pain in the ass.

[Mcrob]

Originally posted by dnt
imacs are g3....

??:confused: ??
What the..............?
Isn't imac a G4 as well. An imac costs more than a G4.

[Some Guy]

All of you are out of your minds if you would get a G3 or freakin imac. You can get a PC thats as fast as the fastest G4 for the price of a imac. Dont even get me started on G3's, those things are ancient and slow.

[MaximeRobin]

mcrob; you are right now imac are g4. I was thinking about ibook, I guess. But they surely doesn't cost as mush as desktop g4.

Some guy; I think it beside the point. I don't like working on PC. I like macs. Some people like mpc or hardware to make thier music. I would say like the guy from malibu's most wanted "don't be hatin'!"

[Some Guy]

Haha, I aint seen that movie yet, it looks kinda funny I might check it out. And yeah you're right, just get what you like workin on.

[vitaminman]

Hey,

Do any of you remember when the beige G3 first came out in '98? Those things were FAAASSSSTTT!!!!!!! And 'only' $2400 for students, they were probably close to $3000 for the normal public. They ran the new OS8 (the Mac parallel to Win98)

Then the green towers came out a few months later, those were even better. They eventually ran OS9, which was a bad ass operating system once they got their bugs ironed out.

Now they've got G4's and dual-G4's, OSX.2, and a bunch of other neat stuff.

Do you realise that in 3 years people are going to laugh at the G4 and call them 'ancient and slow'? Don't fall into that trap...choose the software that you want to use, then build your machine around it. And stick with it for a while before going out to buy another machine or another piece of software.

When people come to my studio, no one ever laughs at my 'ancient and slow' PIII 866 with 256mb RAM, because it is a smoking machine that plays awesome music...

Take care,

Nick

[Mcrob]

Originally posted by Some Guy
All of you are out of your minds if you would get a G3 or freakin imac. You can get a PC thats as fast as the fastest G4 for the price of a imac. Dont even get me started on G3's, those things are ancient and slow...........

Yo dawg I never mentioned that I wanted to get a G3 or a IMAc, I said that I wanted to get a G4. I also heard that the upgrading system is not as fast as the pc for example I bought a pc 3 years ago and it was wicked now it's almost a dinosaur! Beside MACS are a mulitimedia hardware and I like how it works.

[vitaminman]

Hey,

Mcrob: you have been brainwashed by Apple telling you that 'Macs are multimedia machines'.

http://www.apple.com/switch/

Their retarded 'Switch' campaigns practically declare that:

1. Apple invented the computer.
2. Apple invented music.
3. Apple invented movies.
4. Apple invented photography.
5. Apple invented cd's.
6. Apple invented dvd's.
7. Apple invented the internet.

Some of the blatant 'untruths' that they hint at:

1. You need a Master's degree in computer science to use a PC.
2. PC's never ever work. Ever. In fact, they were designed from the ground up to NOT work.
3. Macs never ever crash. Ever. Because it is physically impossible for the Mac to crash.
4. You can run a multinational business from an imac. You can also run governments from an imac. It's just so easy!
5. The Mac will get you laid.
6. You can run as many instances of Final Cut, Photoshop, Logic, Illustrator, imovie, itunes, etc. as you want, all at the same time, and you will never ever notice a hit in performance. Ever.
7. etc...

If there is something that you can do on a Mac, you can just as easily do it on a PC...and vice-versa. Don't go out buying a computer because some loser told you that they're 'multimedia machines', you will get burned.

Also, taking 'what you hear' as a truth is so unintelligent when you're about to drop $1500+ into anything...

However, if you like the way they look, the way the OS operates, the support, the price, and most importantly the software available for it, then get what suits you.

Nick

[MaximeRobin]

vitamin; so true

like public enemy said "don't believe the hype"

I'm a mac lover tho.

[Mcrob]

Thats very true and yes I have seen those stupid ads of people switching to a mac for the stupidest reasons, but thats obviously not the reason why I am getting one. I just love the OS, and I like how the programs run on them. The only thing I don't like about the mac is the internet, the windows doesn't maximinze to the whole screen. IF it does then I guess I am wrong but I was never able to do that.

ps. Vitmainman..which cpmputer do you enjoy using for not just music but for personal as well and be honest.

but anyway

[vitaminman]

Hey,

For personal use it depends on what I'm doing and where I am. I have a pc laptop which I have for 'personal' use, it suits me down to the ground when I want to surf the net or try my hand at programming in Visual C++. This email is being written from a PC.

I prefer to surf the net on the Powerbook though because the keyboard commands to control multiple windows is easier in OSX than in XP, although not having all the functions that the right-button in Windows offers can be a pain.

As for programming, there isn't a Visual C++ for Mac, nor is there Access, so I have to do those on the PC. The Mac has Codewarrior and Filemaker Pro, but these programs are so expensive that I chose to work on the PC for those kinds of things with the cheaper Microsoft softwares.

Office? Excel and Word are IDENTICAL in my opinion. I can do spreadsheets and documents, macros and all, on both machines, and they open/run on both machines as well. Microsoft did a pretty good job making sure that moving between platforms was seamless...

I guess then I use the PC more than the Mac for personal stuff because the software I want to run is available for it. If Microsoft made Access and Visual C++ for Mac, or if the Mac parallels became cheaper I may find myself using it more often for those tasks. For doing Office or internet stuff I really don't care which machine I use, I'll grab whichever one is not occupied or happens to be in the room with me.

Take care,

Nick

[Mcrob]

So you own those two or you only use them at work

[Mcrob]

Originally posted by vitaminman

As for programming, there isn't a Visual C++ for Mac, nor is there Access, so I have to do those on the PC. The Mac has Codewarrior and Filemaker Pro, but these programs are so expensive that I chose to work on the PC for those kinds of things with the cheaper Microsoft softwares.

Office? Excel and Word are IDENTICAL in my opinion. I can do spreadsheets and documents, macros and all, on both machines, and they open/run on both machines as well. Microsoft did a pretty good job making sure that moving between platforms was seamless...

I guess then I use the PC more than the Mac for personal stuff because the software I want to run is available for it. If Microsoft made Access and Visual C++ for Mac, or if the Mac parallels became cheaper I may find myself using it more often for those tasks. For doing Office or internet stuff I really don't care which machine I use, I'll grab whichever one is not occupied or happens to be in the room with me.
[/B]

Why don't u cra&k it?

[vitaminman]

Hey,

For the same reason I don't steal your beats and use them in my tracks.

Nick

[Mcrob]

Ok fine fine geez! But still I have used a mac and I enjoyed how it works and I am not worried about not having a good time with it for personal use anyways. But I am mostly going to be using it for music recording, making beats, website and graphic design so it's all good. I am not brainwashed but was easily cracked up by those stupids ad of people switching to a mac for the stupidest reason (oh my printer doesn't work i am going to a mac)

holla back

[vitaminman]

Hey,

My last post was a little offensive, it wasn't meant to be...it sounds like you're thinking this one out, good luck with your new computer when you get it!

Take care,

Nick