heatmakers video

[classic]

here is a video of the heatmakers

http://madnet31.free.fr/heatmakerz(u-mad.net).WMV

these cats make samplin seem easy man. shit is crazy. through a loop toghter and your done.

Whats fucked up is that im really feelin there style. I love the diplimats sound. (Feeling that new song s.a.n.t.a.n.a)

if u dident know already the trick to heat makers sound is old school soul loops over a dirty south drum pattern. Their drums are straight from No limit and mannie fresh

class...

[djswivel]

im not too impressed.....anyone can make a beat in 20 mins when u got the entire melody layed down with a looped sample lol....all he did was put a mediocre drum beat with a very simple bassline on a very mediocre sample.....i guess simplicity works, but i can guarantee that if they could never clear their samples, they would fall off the map, because 90% of Illmuzik-ers would be blowin them out the water

thanks for the vid tho, it gives me a lot more confidence, that i'm ready for the industry...if they can make it, anyone can

[Dantson]

.......... if they could never clear their samples, they would fall off the map, because 90% of Illmuzik-ers would be blowin them out the water..........


oooooooh. y'all feel that one?

[x-squizet]

Yo class that shit was tight i liked that, that dude knew his way around the mpc, it was a cool beat had my head noddin with him.

[N.U.G.]

dope shit

thanks Class

[MR_P]

Their studios as messed up as mine... I need my MPC stable and not moving after each pad hit!!!! LOL

Nice one Class!

[WingsOfAnAngel]

im not too impressed.....anyone can make a beat in 20 mins when u got the entire melody layed down with a looped sample lol....all he did was put a mediocre drum beat with a very simple bassline on a very mediocre sample.....i guess simplicity works, but i can guarantee that if they could never clear their samples, they would fall off the map, because 90% of Illmuzik-ers would be blowin them out the water

Word is bond. I agree; this is pretty much the reason why i don't appreciate\listen to those kind of beats. It's just not an art form. they make sampling look way too easy and basic. this is exactly the reason musicians think that we - samplists - are not making REAL music.
In any situation - EACH TO HIS OWN...

Blessings,
Wing

[MarkN]

here is a video of the heatmakers

http://madnet31.free.fr/heatmakerz(u-mad.net).WMV

these cats make samplin seem easy man. shit is crazy. through a loop toghter and your done.

Whats fucked up is that im really feelin there style. I love the diplimats sound. (Feeling that new song s.a.n.t.a.n.a)

if u dident know already the trick to heat makers sound is old school soul loops over a dirty south drum pattern. Their drums are straight from No limit and mannie fresh

class...

well they ddin't really make sampling look easy as they already had the sample in the MPC even so they didn't do a lot and only had two sequences so i know i could and probably any with a basic knowledge of sampling could knock that beat out in 20 minutes, that said they do have some kewl beats !

[berserk]

yeha i got this smack DVD... i dunno why everybody be knockin the heatmakerz... i think they make dope beats...

[Fade]

That beat was horrible. After a while, that loop gets VERY annoying. But it's still nice to see how they put it together, and yeah that place was messy!

[Loose Cannon]

Did you see in the back? They got 6 200pack floppys. They probly need that though after how many beats they make cuz how quick they do it.

I aint really feelin there approach like "lets make this money". Id rather make a little less and be about the muzic.

[berserk]

fuck that... make that money money... sell your soul to the devil... make beats like charlemagne's girls... and soon you'll be a fucking chump... WITH LOADS OF MONEY!!!

[DJFANTOM]

I can't veiw the vid on that link rite now. But after seeing beserk post I know its the same footage from the Smack dvd which I also have... Yeah asoon as I saw dat .. I quickly went to thru my crates. Found the original record and listened for the part they looped... Sure enuff str8t loop no chopin no nothin.... Not hating on they hustle... But that's not making music. That's remixin... Lol

[djswivel]

dont get me wrong, if you gotta jack a loop to get put on, then go for it, cuz then you have other opportunities to get the real hot beats out there.....On occasion I'll take a loop and just throw the drums/bass on it and call it a beat, but I don't give myself more credit than I deserve....I'll be the first to say, yeah it may sound hot, but it takes no skill whatsoever, and it's not producing....Even on my own beats...

If they are so hot, they should start trying to do more challenging things, since they're already on....Now they have that opportunity....oh well

[zone]

i wonder what they're gonna do when that cymbal-crashin sped-up shit is played out.

they dont seem very versatile, but you know i cant knock their hustle.

[bigdmakintrax]

I hate to tell you that this nigga fooled you...LOL he only showed certain parts...do you think he gonna show all of the secrets...come on man....LOL rule 1 of any of the industry producer....NEVER REVEAL A sample(unless you just like to use some known joint or its a few bars).....and 2...never show your secrets because there certain techniques and forumulas.....think Primo and Gangstarr...LOL no man if you know any real producers...YES grasshopper there are secrets and techniques this hip hop man...many have been exploited but if everyone could make diplomats or kanye style...or primo beats this would truly make your statement valid....oh thats cool for that cat...post your rendition up then....

[zone]

secrets? do you think he cast a spell or something to program that beat?

gimme a break, there's no magic involved. over at the-breaks.com forum some nigga remade that beat in like 2 minutes in fruity loops.

LOL rule 1 of any of the industry producer....NEVER REVEAL A sample

heatmakerz dont just sample, they take phrases wholesale. there's always going to be some digger who can ID their samples off the top of his head. anyway, wake me up when you're an authority on the industry.

oh thats cool for that cat...post your rendition up then....

sorry buddy, but i have far better ways to waste my time than proving that heatmakerz beats are formulaic. if you want to sit around making heatmakerz beats, go ahead. make me a "kanye snare" while you're at it. :rolleyes:

[MarkN]

ok man no problem its intruders - friends no more is what he samples if you give me some time when i get off work i'll chop it up the same way he did and program some drums to it no problem and it won't take me more than 20 mins, yea ok with premo were on some different shit he has techniques and woteva for what he does but the heatmakerz chopped it up then added drums there is nothing more to that beat on that video !

[Qwerty]

dont get me wrong, if you gotta jack a loop to get put on, then go for it, cuz then you have other opportunities to get the real hot beats out there.....On occasion I'll take a loop and just throw the drums/bass on it and call it a beat, but I don't give myself more credit than I deserve....I'll be the first to say, yeah it may sound hot, but it takes no skill whatsoever, and it's not producing....Even on my own beats...


exactly, when i make people here one of my beat and they go: damnnn that shit is hotttt. Right away I say: yeah, but it's sampled so....

[bigdmakintrax]

Look Zone what my point is he made it look like he constructed all that on tha MPC, right on the spot...he starts up like I got my loop going, anyone can do that part its some of the flipping with mpc and shortcuts....I mean he skipped all of the diggin and getting that shidd looped just right IN THE mpc..etc........., just watch him shits all loaded i wasn't looking for who can make the beat or who can play follow the heatmakers. on my computer watch......LOL I just said he ain't show it all and yes all infinite wisdom beatmakers....there are secrets...not jumping to ya fruity loops playlist though thats cheating..ok....and the only way to unlock them is to keep buying them fuggin Shortcut DVD's...LOL I think everyone is throwing one of these things together in their bored time during their signed beatmaking time to make a lil extra change....but outside of that theres only really entertainment value in this video here....maybe some of the other ones might teach you something you can use.....I am not an authority on the industry(maybe kinda close because I study my craft for some years man and I do have at least 2 people in the industry on records right now) but i bet you I know my way around any mpc or piece of gear to tell you why I said what i said...oh yeah I know my way around Fruity loops and reason too if you need some tips....

[MarkN]

i see wot your saying in a way BigD but do you honestly think people on here can't load a sample into the MPC and getting it looping right i've had my MPC for like 3 days and i could still make that beat on it !

[afriquedeluxe]

they are making money, thats all that matters to them. am sure if they werent allowed to sample, they would work around it and start making original stuff.

[berserk]

afrique shut you up didn't he

[bigdmakintrax]

Man all of you missed the point there was nothing said about sampling or blah blah blah.....I came back because we got all of the Just Blazes and Kanyes that don just joined up telling us how easy what they are doing is.....if any of you have been on here long enuff you would know I agree and I have said that method of sampling is pretty easy, but for you to talk out of your ass about you can can make the beat that's good or come telling us how some cat over at some other board made the beat in 5 minutes thats beside the point too.......go ahead put up or shut up......and as far as loading the sample in the MPC we know that depending on your level....thaz cool you had an mpc 3 days man...you are in the company on this board of folks that had MPC's 3+ years man LOL so what are you saying do you want to put up one of your beats and battle big mouth?

[classic]

both of yall got some points,
MarkN your right about loading samples in the MPC,ALot of my eariler beats are just 4 and 8 bar samples with drums and bass on them(before i got into composing)

also like Big D said there is alot of stuff that wasent shown in that video(like the acutal diggin for the sample and chopping EQing etc.

I dont wanna this thread to get shut down so make sure yall keep it civilezed

if yall wanna take it to the next level

battle

class..

[bigdmakintrax]

Exactly....make a heatmakers beat not just the beat they have with 2 parts to I mean flipped and screwed completely a full beat...with all of the nice breakdowns then whatever you said about how easy it is or anyone can do it I will believe it aight......I don't do them kind of beats but if you want we can do this....I won't disagree with how easy it is to load the sample and put a 4 bar loop behind it...thats not all they doing they on their beats....just that lil piece they showed you for "quick beat in 10 minutes" etc thats elementary for any mpc user I'm on my 3rd and had and sp12 and the 1200 so what you saying to me is not new wisdom....but around studio circles is you ever been out of house around to some cats that have come up with some concepts especially how they flipping samples or even and mpc LIVE competition....have you ever been to one where cats will prove my point...you got that mpc a few days you oversimplifying the art man by saying oh I can go home and make a beat like that it's definitely possible.....LOL thats all....but if you do listen to some of the dipset beats they loops to a point but a lot aint...the Juewlz Santana joints got more variations....

[djswivel]

Alright, y'all should battle!!! And, post the beats, and the ill illmuzik forum should be the judges.....who agrees

[zone]

i agree, the heatmakers dude didn't leave out anything that most of us don't already know. why show them digging for samples? completeness? you can't just get a good dig on cue, and plus they probably buy a lot of tracks off diggers (DITC/soulman/etc) , not that there's anything wrong with that.

and it's not like any "secret" of theirs would stay secret for long, heatmakers looks like it rolls 1000 deep, plus the engineers and other niggas who hang around. most big-time producers end up givin away tips & equipment lists in Scratch & shit anyway.

no forum beats are going to sound even remotely like dipset anthem anyway unless someone wants to pay to get everyone's tracks engineered and mastered professionally.

[gram green]

why do muffuccas got to dis every damn thing ... i cant stand hearing this shit all the time.. its just a loop this and that... but whats crazy is aint one muffucca on this whole site can name a producer (a good producer) who doesnt use this "formula" if you will to make shit... for example the producers everyone gives props to all the time (madlib, just blaze, jay dee, primo, pete rock, everyfuckindecentproducer) all do it this way.... pete rock could post a beat on this site and muffucas would be like "not enough changes.. blahblahblah....

[bigdmakintrax]

Gram an all tha rest of yall are getting the shidd twisted...ALL I SAID is that the cat ain't show everything that was behind the beat if this if for some instructions I was waiting for it, this ain't now instructional joint.......This ain't no sampling debate either.....some cats jumped in on how easy the shidd is...ok.....thats it man read tha fuckin thread and you will see aight....then start going on and on....its your fellow samplers that fucking it up into a dis man......saying its so easy or saying anyone can do what they do all I said if this how you feel bring ya shidd and show me....how is this a dis man explain cause it aint even what the thread is about....

[MarkN]

no i think u misunderstand me BIGD see classic said it makes sampling look easy, and to be honest what they did there is one of the easier things you can do with a sample its just a catchy nice sounding loop that they looped and put some drums to it ! Now me saying i can do that with me MPC after three days isn't boasting im just saying if i can do that after that long it really can't be that hard which imo it isn't ! Things people like premier do with samples now that is hard and i could sit here all night and still not be able to produce some of the stuff he does !
I mean ok he didn't show everything but there isnt too much else to it the heatmakerz have actually said they don't dig in interviews and that they don't give a shit about the records and they thing record collecting is wack and woteva the guy said my mum gave me her collection i that he mostly uses that so....... i mean if you mum gives you her records and you just loop something its really not that difficult ! Im not denying it sounds pretty kewl and plenty of people will say oh yea that beats dope yea even i think it sounds good but that doesnt mean it woz difficult to do !
Thats great you have had your MPC three year but i don't see what that has to do with this if anything i would have thought you will already know how easy it is !
I think a lot of the heatmakerz beats are kewl and yea a lot aren't just looped either but that beat is i mean well its not even a beat like he said its just two sequences !
im not trying to give you new wisdom im sure you know al ot more than me and you have had three MPCs sp1200s and woteva thats kewl but it still doesnt make that beat anymore complex now im not saying i can go and do everything the heatmakerz do but those two sequences yes i can do that im not oversimplfying the art at all and infact if they ever released that track im sure they would do other stuff chops and woteva and it will be much better ! But im just saying IMO that what he did there doesnt really make sampling look easy as wot he did is quite easy im sure watching someone like premo or woteva he would make wot he does look very easy as its second nature to him but not many people could do what hes doing !
and whats with the come out and im gonna battle you stuff, i said even though ive had my mpc for a limited time i can still loop samples and do sum sequences and you come out with oh well theres people who have had their MPCs for 3 years so do you wana battle ! ? well no actually i woz just trying to validate a point !
I dunno i think we have a similar point of view on this tbh but its just got twisted !

[bigdmakintrax]

yeah you right man...this one of the more interesting arguments....no one is saying sampling is bad and no one is saying they the best beatmaker....Now I can battle you if you want it ain't no thing, I like battling on equal footing though on one on one I like to have the same sample and that tells me who got the best beat.....that way people can decide the better beat...but like I said their style ain't mine but if its yours then I'll do a battle on what you think you can put up against the heatmakers....pick the sample and we can go...this should be fun...but the reason I had to pull the mpc card you seemed to be simplifying what you can do on one....I am just saying theres a lot of lil tricks on that piece I still get people telling me lil things man....and on any of the other classic gear that people take for granted especially since yes I used Fruity loops too....I just came off with the battle stuff because you seemed to be showing some boasting thats all....

[MarkN]

yeah you right man...this one of the more interesting arguments....no one is saying sampling is bad and no one is saying they the best beatmaker....Now I can battle you if you want it ain't no thing, I like battling on equal footing though on one on one I like to have the same sample and that tells me who got the best beat.....that way people can decide the better beat...but like I said their style ain't mine but if its yours then I'll do a battle on what you think you can put up against the heatmakers....pick the sample and we can go...this should be fun...but the reason I had to pull the mpc card you seemed to be simplifying what you can do on one....I am just saying theres a lot of lil tricks on that piece I still get people telling me lil things man....and on any of the other classic gear that people take for granted especially since yes I used Fruity loops too....I just came off with the battle stuff because you seemed to be showing some boasting thats all....


Yea i agree this is one of the more interesting arguments its all good !
I could battle you but tbh honest 1 i'd probably get my ass kicked as i really havent been doing this for that long but i don't mind that so much, and the heatmakerz stuff isnt really my style but i still havent worked out how im gonna get stuff off my MPC onto my PC!
Yea im not simplifying the MPC far from it i've been on it loads since ive got it and its like everytime you pick it up you do something and you're like oh shit it does that too lol and im sure i'll be like that for a long time yet its a powerful thing that can do pretyy much woteva the fuck you tell it but i woz just saying that even with my limited knowledge of the MPC i can still put a sequence like that together thats a tribute to its ease of use tbh !
And yea i agree with you i think people do look down on hardware when they are using software thinking that you get an MPC and you're suddendly ah ip hop legend ! thats not wot i woz trying to say at all you have to put in work maybe even more work than on the PC to get the stuff out of it ! Its like a much more labour intensive process to get the same shit out of an MPC than it is if i woz using reason or fruity or woteva but its just that much more enjoyable imo coz u get to hit the pads and you got this thing just sat there and it allows you to all the crazy shit lol

[bigdmakintrax]

either battle or meet me in the next beat this man....but yeah thats the part, I heard crazy beats in Fruity loops....but to do it on the gear is a challenge and the mpc can go WAY beyond a 4 bar loop man....thats all I am saying too....you need to hook that up to say a triton or module us the mpc as the sequencer for everything you gonna unlock some ill shidd.....its even easier with the 1000 man......

[gram green]

damn i was on your side D.... i must have typed something wrong



i was speakin on "anyone can do that" "its just a loop" "alot of people can do that"
i get tired of hearing that shit....

but fuck it dunny... ill battle you

[Rhythmikal]

i dont think 'anyone could do that, they aint got no talent' is a realistic thing to say. if that was true then how come we all aint rich and famous? some people have an excellent ear, some dont.

sAfE.

[MarkN]

nah i don't anyone has plainly said that they have not talent i certainly haven't basically my whole point woz that isn't the best way to show off sampling !

[zone]

i dont think 'anyone could do that, they aint got no talent' is a realistic thing to say. if that was true then how come we all aint rich and famous? some people have an excellent ear, some dont.


thats real. any nerd can master protools & synths & MPCs, but to make hot beats a good ear is crucial. thats the secret big d was talkin about i think.

for example, i've written my own softsynth & drum machine software, but i cant program a hot sound to save my life.

[gram green]

thats my point.... that fact that you could do it aint shit... alot of people can do something once someone else does it ... being able to copy something doesnt mean it aint take talent to make it... its just that technical nerd producer argument, simple is bad or something... and its hatin in disguise i think...

the other thing is i dont think there's any hip hop beats i heard that i couldnt recreate it ... the same goes for most cats here, and anyone that has some talent and some experience.... i cant think of any beats that are so skillfull that i couldnt reproduce it if i wanted to ... this aint classical pianism or cello playin or something.... with the right gear and time... so just cause you could bite they shit and you could make it dont mean shit....

its making it in the first place that counts

[bigdmakintrax]

I agree thats what they looking for is the next thing or either exploit something old...think all a dat hot shidd is old concepts taken to another level...so go back and listen to so concepts with samples that sounded good with some hip hop....I don't know what the new trend is sooooo, it could be discovered by mistake or on purpose...I dunno.

[zone]

i hope the next trend is sampling 80s records, cause i have hella. it's old enough now where kids might appreciate it.

[x-squizet]

yo i just checked out camron's new album purpal haze and it was aight but most of the beats on the album kinda sound like the beat the heatmakerz made in that video, and that crash was gettin on my nerves after a couple of songs

[Loose Cannon]

i wonder what they're gonna do when that cymbal-crashin sped-up shit is played out...

It already is played out

[Sucio]

i think the alchemist video was better......

he was like...."lets use....THIS RECORD!"

played the record....chopped it up right there....laced the track right there.....

sampling is here to stay.....whether u think its "music" or not.....thats ya opinion(s)......

ya make ya tracks the way u want.....

[Loose Cannon]

i think the alchemist video was better......

he was like...."lets use....THIS RECORD!"

played the record....chopped it up right there....laced the track right there.....

He played beats that he already had done on that video, he didnt make any.

[Fury]

Fuck the heat makers..any producer here can make a beat like them ..all they do is find a sample and put drums on it wit bass thats it..any one can do that they aint shyt and they aint impressin no one wit that

[gram green]

Fuck the heat makers..any producer here can make a beat like them ..all they do is find a sample and put drums on it wit bass thats it..any one can do that they aint shyt and they aint impressin no one wit that

your gay...

how do you make beats? by conjuring up some kind of magical spells and rolling your 20 sided dice? thats how everybody makes sample based beats

i guess everyone sucks

For some reason im guessin that you couldn't make that beat

[ACE LOC]

to me the only hard thing about sampling is finding something to sample thats pretty much it sampling is even alot easier if u just looping and u aint chopping shit up and making ya own melodies

[Tha1AndOnlyDJT]

a classic. can you reup the video.

[Ambition]

here is a video of the heatmakers

http://madnet31.free.fr/heatmakerz(u-mad.net).WMV

these cats make samplin seem easy man. shit is crazy. through a loop toghter and your done.

Whats fucked up is that im really feelin there style. I love the diplimats sound. (Feeling that new song s.a.n.t.a.n.a)

if u dident know already the trick to heat makers sound is old school soul loops over a dirty south drum pattern. Their drums are straight from No limit and mannie fresh

class...

I love the heatmakerz beats but I could get to the video can you send it to me?

[Protege]

The link wont go through... is there any other way to see it?

[MGTheFuture]

im not too impressed.....anyone can make a beat in 20 mins when u got the entire melody layed down with a looped sample lol....all he did was put a mediocre drum beat with a very simple bassline on a very mediocre sample.....i guess simplicity works, but i can guarantee that if they could never clear their samples, they would fall off the map, because 90% of Illmuzik-ers would be blowin them out the water

thanks for the vid tho, it gives me a lot more confidence, that i'm ready for the industry...if they can make it, anyone can


only difference is - between him and you or anyone else

he got paid 40,000 - yall got nothing

no need to hate on that..get that money..dip dip set set

[CampO]

there is a site where you can download a bunch o f these beat making videos from Alc to heatmakers to some Jay-z making of the black album stuff and a few NO name producer Videos

Ill try find the link for yall

Found it hear you go enjoy http://www.malefactor.org/beatmakingvideos/