UNORTHODOX
Father Timeless
http://smokingsection.uproxx.com/TS...the-fear-of-getting-murdered-on-your-own-shit
Some good points made. Check it
Some good points made. Check it
Dope read: Getting Murdered on You Own Shit
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Beat This!The Beat This! results are in, see what went down.
I think perception plays a big role in some of this but lets say that it didn't.
I don't rap but if I did and I were doing an album with John Doe as a feature on one of my tracks, and John Doe ripped his verse while my verse was mediocre at best...one of several things would happen...
1. I would request that John Doe toned it down a little...(it is my album so I'm gonna control it's content).
2. I would redo my verse to get it up to par with JD's verse.
3. The track wouldn't make the final cut.
I can't imagine anyone just allowing a newcomer to 'murder them on their own sh*t'. If I were a rapper and my skills weren't honed properly, I wouldn't even entertain the thought of having a spoiler in the first place. That just doesn't make sense on my part.
This was a great write but at the same time, it just wouldn't be sensible to go to a gun fight with a knife. This reminds me of what LL did to Canibus. LL had already done his verse, then Canibus spit some hot ish on the track. LL got offended, went back and told Canibus to redo his ish and he did...then LL redid has verse basically dissing what Canibus originally said. lol!
I don't rap but if I did and I were doing an album with John Doe as a feature on one of my tracks, and John Doe ripped his verse while my verse was mediocre at best...one of several things would happen...
1. I would request that John Doe toned it down a little...(it is my album so I'm gonna control it's content).
2. I would redo my verse to get it up to par with JD's verse.
3. The track wouldn't make the final cut.
I can't imagine anyone just allowing a newcomer to 'murder them on their own sh*t'. If I were a rapper and my skills weren't honed properly, I wouldn't even entertain the thought of having a spoiler in the first place. That just doesn't make sense on my part.
This was a great write but at the same time, it just wouldn't be sensible to go to a gun fight with a knife. This reminds me of what LL did to Canibus. LL had already done his verse, then Canibus spit some hot ish on the track. LL got offended, went back and told Canibus to redo his ish and he did...then LL redid has verse basically dissing what Canibus originally said. lol!
Little Brother has been around for a minute. Maybe they should blame there fans for not putting them on the level they feel they should be on. If Kanye or Drake personally told dude that they look up to him and his music that should be more than good enough. I don't think Drake nor Ye will miss a deposit to there bank accounts for articles like this. All the parties are good at what they do. I don't think Ye or Drake totally copied his style...they just borrowed from it and injected some of there own. That's the history of hip hop. If Little Brother doesn't have the success of Drake or Kanye is it there fault? I think not.....
The whole concept of Jayz Renegade track was not his style in my opinion...there's a reason he wanted Em on it....even Jay knew it was more an Em style beat. People like the guy that wrote that article is the reason why we'll probably never hear collabs like that again. There's always gotta be a riff in hip hop......
The whole concept of Jayz Renegade track was not his style in my opinion...there's a reason he wanted Em on it....even Jay knew it was more an Em style beat. People like the guy that wrote that article is the reason why we'll probably never hear collabs like that again. There's always gotta be a riff in hip hop......
Especially on your own record...
You would think Jay would murk this record....
But you could tell TI wrote his verse after hearing the other verses..
I would never tell an artist to tone their verse down. "Dude..don't be so dope on the record" The better the quality...the better the record..... Step your game up....
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiS9-yPvBnY"]T.I. (Ft. Kanye West, Jay-Z, and Lil Wayne) - Swagga Like Us - YouTube[/ame]
You would think Jay would murk this record....
But you could tell TI wrote his verse after hearing the other verses..
I would never tell an artist to tone their verse down. "Dude..don't be so dope on the record" The better the quality...the better the record..... Step your game up....
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiS9-yPvBnY"]T.I. (Ft. Kanye West, Jay-Z, and Lil Wayne) - Swagga Like Us - YouTube[/ame]
Thats why I said it's a matter of perspective...you wouldn't let this cat outshine you on your own sh*t either. All MC's aren't created equal therefore it reverts back to something has to change or the track doesn't make the final cut.
UNORTHODOX
Father Timeless
I agree with everything you said, I think thats actually why alot of collabs dont come out or even get done.
agreed with everything. Side note: Renegades was originally Eminem and Royce da 59, Jay needed a track for the album and someone played that song, Jay wanted it, and Royce's verse got taken off. I agree the track wasnt his style, at all, especially with Em on it. Nor was the "You got killed on your own shit" stigma around, it was about the music and the messege. On a bunch of songs, people would always say they like "___" verse better, but you gotta blame Nas for turning it into a diss worthy mention and the fans for making it into a huge deal now.
So if you get murdered, what do you do? Put it out or trash it?
I see where Dac is coming from.... but my question is this..
Why would you put out shit you feel is mediocre?
Same goes with production...if I'm working on a project and the artist has other producers on it...I want my track to be played the most....I want people to say "yeah that album was dope....but did you hear that fuckin beat that sucio did? Oh shit" That's how I gets it done.
Why would you put out shit you feel is mediocre?
Same goes with production...if I'm working on a project and the artist has other producers on it...I want my track to be played the most....I want people to say "yeah that album was dope....but did you hear that fuckin beat that sucio did? Oh shit" That's how I gets it done.
Word.....
If Kanye was UNDERGROUND dudes would be saying at every turn how dope he is lyrically. When u go commercial and get that money it's automatic that u get shit'd on by a sector of the hip hop community. Kanye does what he needs to do lyrically to sell records and earn a great living but I would never say he's not lyrically gifted. He could hold his own with many in the game. To me Busta is not a lyrical beast....his whole style makes him a monster. His rapid fire delivery, voice and lyrics put him in a league of his own but I don't listen to his lyrics and be like "oh shit...did u hear that".
