Resources for the drums pattern variety

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beugiea

Newbie
Hi!

I am mixing my first afro trap beat which I made with help of this tutorial
I used the drums pattern from the video and built around it, and it sounds so fresh (I do mostly smooth, slow stuff)!

I was wondering if you know any useful resources for more variety for beat patterns that are still "rappable".

Also I used to read the attackmagazine.com and their Techinque > Beats Dissected section, which is dope, but it's not boombap/trap beat directly transferable.

Best Wishes!
 
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Iron Keys

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Personally i wouldn't recomm3nd this approach.

It will generally 3nd up as just another beat.

I'd suggest just learning the basic rhythm of the style you're interested in, then immerse yourself in something completely different so you can kinda merge elements.

Also this approach to producing has a greater tendency to result in lifeless records.

Gonna sound corny but it's vital; you gotta "feel" it.

Good luck ♡
 

beugiea

Newbie
Personally i wouldn't recomm3nd this approach.

It will generally 3nd up as just another beat.

I'd suggest just learning the basic rhythm of the style you're interested in, then immerse yourself in something completely different so you can kinda merge elements.

Also this approach to producing has a greater tendency to result in lifeless records.

Gonna sound corny but it's vital; you gotta "feel" it.

Good luck ♡
Yeah, I am aware that copy&paste don't work in the long run.

But I have to know what I don't know in order to find the style that I wouldn't think of. I'm not sure if that makes sense at all :D

Anyway, thanks!
 

Crispifier

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I really like this guy not sure how helpfull it would be to someone like you though drums are kind of my weak point musically so it helped me out a lot its more about sound selection in different styles the patterns are quite simple but he does cover the basics


@Iron Keys true enough but you need a starting point like what kicks and hats to use for different styles (something i still find hard hehe)
 

YannFer

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I agree with Iron Keys, copying other beats can't result in great beats.

But yes, it's a good way to learn the craft !

I would recommend listening to songs you like and try and replicate these patterns. It's not a shortcut, of course but it will train your ears. And that is VERY important.

There probably are very good youtube tuts all over the place. There's a young french guy named "Ysos" who makes very good Trap drums tutorials imo. It's in french, but you might pick a few ideas even you don't understand the speech.
Here's one :



Good luck on your journey!
 

Iron Keys

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@Iron Keys true enough but you need a starting point like what kicks and hats to use for different styles (something i still find hard hehe)
It's better to use your ears.

I know it sounds vague, and you almost hate receiving vague sounding advice in regards to something as technical as music/production. But I've found it's more often the best advice.

The simple way is, just listen... does it "feel" right? Does it "sound right"? You should be able to tell that - if not you should probably listen to the style more to get a feel for it.

Then when you make stuff and it doesn't feel right - listen and ask yourself why?

 

Iron Keys

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And if you can't figure why, you can always come here at IllMuzik and say "hey guys, to me my track doesn't sound/feel right in regards to xyz style, any idea why?"

There may just be a few people with the ears and feel to help explain.
 

Crispifier

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@Iron Keys Absouloutley music imho is about self expression and the "feel". a huge part of what i do is improv whch is almost entierly intuiton (though you do need to know the theory first). on the other hand i think copying and then adding your own flair be it progressions patterns etc is a huge part of the art, also technical skills i feel are seperate from the intuitive side of it, lets say knowing music theory or for example (more hip hop related) if you want mobb deep sounding snares i had no clue you might need to ad mono reverb and cut the highs to get that "deep"(pun intended) "sound" completley agree with all your saying though m8 but i do think there are aspects of sounds/music you wouldnt think of if you weren't told what to do or how to do it.

in classical music they even have serious debates on how much a player should add their own phrasing or differ from the sheet music, if you should play by how you feel the piece or you try to understand it intellectually and play it as it's written, so these concepts arn't exactly new. I personally think each person falls somewhere between these two camps, theory vs intution feel vs knowledge etc
 
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@Iron Keys Absouloutley music imho is about self expression and the "feel". a huge part of what i do is improv whch is almost entierly intuiton (though you do need to know the theory first). on the other hand i think copying and then adding your own flair be it progressions patterns etc is a huge part of the art, also technical skills i feel are seperate from the intuitive side of it, lets say knowing music theory or for example (more hip hop related) if you want mobb deep sounding snares i had no clue you might need to ad mono reverb and cut the highs to get that "deep"(pun intended) "sound" completley agree with all your saying though m8 but i do think there are aspects of sounds/music you wouldnt think if you weren't told what to do or how to do it.

in classical music they even have serious debates on how much a player should add their own phrasing or differ from the sheet music, if you should play by how you feel the piece or you try to understand it intellectually and play it as it's written, so these concepts arn't exactly new. I personally think each person falls somewhere between these two camps, theory vs intution feel vs knowledge etc
I too improvise practically everything based on what sounds right using what musical theory I know.
Copying is a great way to learn how somebody else did something, but shouldnt be used for much more than that.

As for the classical music comments, Ive seen the same, and I prefer a piece if a musician puts their own little touch on it, it makes every interpretation of a piece unique in its own way. Doesnt work so well in an orchestra though if everybody is doing it hahahaha
 

Crispifier

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Doesnt work so well in an orchestra though if everybody is doing it hahahaha
stop im getting middle school brass band flashbacks !! :O

seriously though yeah as an example you can program a daw to play moonlight sonata or chopin but its gonna take the humanity right out of it, unless you invest serious effort into inserting phrasing and changing the velocity of each note and fiddling with the tone sustain etc etc ( i could go on)
 

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stop im getting middle school brass band flashbacks !! :O

seriously though yeah you can program a daw to play moonlight sonata or chopin but its gonna take the humanity right out of it, unless you invest serious effort into inserting phrasing and changing the velocity of each note and fiddling with the tone sustain etc etc ( i could go on)
I only ever played the recorder at school, and never did it well. They made music really boring when I was at school. So everything I know I had to find out myself.
 

Crispifier

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I only ever played the recorder at school, and never did it well. They made music really boring when I was at school. So everything I know I had to find out myself.
i totally get that ! Music only really got interesting to me once i quit "formal" music that is to say in a orchestra enviroment with lessons and stuff and started teaching myself guitar. Adults do a very good job of making music entierly to boring for children, and creativity or composing is not emphasized/rewarded nearly as much as being able to play something "perfectly" i have real problems with by the notes type of music... like i find it amazing that there are top trained musicians out there who can't compose for shit but play with a good tone and technique and make a living doing so (might just be jealous) heheh
 

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