Sean Bell

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the verdict on the Sean Bell murder found not guilty I just left Queens bvld they got traffic locked down

it was 9am this morning

cops get off easy again


PS. I don't want this thread to go nuts but just to show u cops don't fly straight
 

Cleverwon

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Yo What The Fuck?!!!!!!!!

Fuckin Justice System.
 

Cleverwon

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ALL The cats on here sayin that we overact with race in american etc...

THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE TO THE WORLD. AMERICA is still raceist as hell, I can be assulted shot and killed by cops, with no consiquences... just becasue i am a black man. This shit is ridicilous.... Im so mad i cant even articulate myself....

I think this is more a case of police leniency, i mean 2 of the cops were black.

I feel you tho yo, its fucked up. They were clearly guilty.
 

classic

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I think this is more a case of police leniency, i mean 2 of the cops were black.

I feel you tho yo, its fucked up. They were clearly guilty.

Yea i know they were black its still just as bad, black cops as just as gulity as profiling as white cops, I dont think we would be having this convo is shawn bell was a 45 year old white dude from westchester..... the whole situation is just sad man....
 

Cleverwon

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^^^^^if he was a 45 year old poor white dude, then maybe. but its fucked man.
 

dahkter

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The no jury thing is fucked up.
The plain clothes cops pulling guns is fucked up (how does anyone know if that badge is real when they flash it, or if you're just getting robbed)?
The fact that Police are so quick to use deadly force, as if their life is so much more valuable than that of the citizens.
I'm a white boy (my family came over here about 80 years ago from Greece, my grandparents spoke very little english), however I lived in Philly and DC during the crack and murder days of the late 80's and early 90's. Also in Brooklyn for ten years. The whole inner city murder thing is so overlooked, same with the prison system, mainstream media doesn't touch it while a huge percentage of people are directly affected by it everyday (much more than that celebrity bullshit).
Four AM is an ugly time, people talk shit, people just start fights, get violent, it's unfortunate that all of the wrong elements came together at one time resulting in this senseless murder. It's also unfortunate that the city comes with the same old same old head in the sand routine, nothing changes at all.
I wonder if anyone will come with any solutions or if this shit will just continue to spiral down....
And one note - I'm not anti-police, I got a good friend in Philly who's a cop, they're doing their jobs and normally they are out to help people. However the government murdering it's own people is straight up wrong IMO.
 

dahkter

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not to sensationalize this at all, however whenever the government wants to minimize the impact of a story, they come out with info on a Friday, the papers and news outlets are pretty much quiet on Saturday.
It's going to be interesting to see how this pans out in the public and with the press...
 

Relic

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I think there will prolly be some rioting, which I hope not, but from what I know of the story this is BS of course.
But I didnt actually HEAR the case and the facts as they were presented so I doont know whats up.
From what I had heard though they should have got some time.
 

Relic

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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/26/nyregion/26BELL.html?bl&ex=1209268800&en=0f8a35dd4edbbafb&ei=5087


3 Detectives Acquitted in Bell Shooting
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Published: April 26, 2008
Three detectives were found not guilty Friday morning on all charges in the shooting death of Sean Bell, who died in a hail of 50 police bullets outside a club in Jamaica, Queens.

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Gescard F. Isnora, left, Michael Oliver and Marc Cooper, the defendants in the case.
Justice Arthur J. Cooperman, who delivered the verdict, said many of the prosecution’s witnesses, including Mr. Bell’s friends and the two wounded victims, were simply not believable. “At times, the testimony of those witnesses just didn’t make sense,” he said.

His verdict prompted several supporters of Mr. Bell to storm out of the courtroom, and screams could be heard in the hallway moments later. The three detectives — Gescard F. Isnora, Michael Oliver and Marc Cooper — were escorted out of a side doorway. Outside, a crowd gathered behind police barricades, occasionally shouting, amid a veritable sea of police officers.

The verdict comes 17 months to the day since the Nov. 25, 2006, shooting of Mr. Bell, 23, and his friends, Joseph Guzman and Trent Benefield, outside the Club Kalua in Jamaica, Queens, hours before Mr. Bell was to be married.

It was delivered in a packed courtroom and was heard by, among others, the slain man’s parents and his fiancée. The seven-week trial, which ended April 14, was heard by Justice Cooperman in State Supreme Court in Queens after the defendants waived their right to a jury, a strategy some lawyers called risky at the time. But it clearly paid off with Friday’s verdict.

Before rendering his verdict, Justice Cooperman ran through a narrative of the evening, and concluded “the police response with respect to each defendant was not found to be criminal.”

“The people have not proved beyond a reasonable doubt” that each defendant was not justified in shooting, he said, before quickly saying the men were not guilty of all of the eight counts, five felonies and three misdemeanors, against them.

Mr. Bell’s family sat silently as Justice Cooperman spoke from the bench. Behind them, a woman was heard to ask, “Did he just say, ‘Not guilty?’ “

Roughly 30 court officers stood by, around the courtroom and in the aisles.

“There are no winners in a trial like this,” Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg said later. “An innocent man lost his life, a bride lost her groom, two daughters lost their father, and a mother and a father lost their son.”

The mayor continued: “Judge Cooperman’s responsibility, however, was to decide the case based on the evidence presented in the courtroom. America is a nation of laws, and though not everyone will agree with the verdicts and opinions issued by the courts, we accept their authority.”

He added: “There will be opportunities for peaceful dissent and potentially for further legal recourse — those are the rights we enjoy in a democratic nation. We don’t expect violence or law-breaking, nor is there any place for it.”

Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly, speaking at an event in Brooklyn, declined to comment on the verdict, saying that the officers could still face disciplinary action from the Police Department. He did say, however, that the United States attorney’s office had asked him to delay such disciplinary action until it had decided whether or not to pursue federal charges against the officers.

He also said that the police were ready, should any unrest develop.

“We have prepared, we have done some drills and some practice with appropriate units and personnel if there is any violence, but again, we don’t anticipate violence,” Mr. Kelly said. “There have been no problems. Obviously there will be some people who are disappointed with the verdict. We understand that.”

Detectives Isnora and Oliver had faced the most charges: first- and second-degree manslaughter, with a possible sentence of 25 years in prison; felony assault, first and second degree; and a misdemeanor, reckless endangerment, with a possible one-year sentence. Detective Oliver also faces a second count of first-degree assault. Detective Cooper was charged only with two counts of reckless endangerment.

During the 26 days of testimony, the prosecution sought to show, with an array of 50 witnesses, that the shooting was the act of a frightened, even enraged group of disorganized police officers who began their shift that night hoping to arrest a prostitute or two and, in suspecting Mr. Bell and his friends of possessing a gun, quickly got in over their heads.

“We ask police to risk their lives to protect ours,” said an assistant district attorney, Charles A. Testagrossa, in his closing arguments. “Not to risk our lives to protect their own.”

The defense, through weeks of often heated cross-examinations, their own witnesses and the words of the detectives themselves, portrayed the shooting as the tragic end to a nonetheless justified confrontation, with Detective Isnora having what it called solid reasons to believe he was the only thing standing between Mr. Bell’s car and a drive-by shooting around the corner.

Several witnesses testified that they heard talk of guns in an argument between Mr. Bell and a stranger, Fabio Coicou, outside Kalua, an argument, the defense claimed, that was fueled by bravado and Mr. Bell’s intoxicated state. Defense lawyers pointed their fingers at Mr. Guzman, who, they said, in shouting for Mr. Bell to drive away when Detective Isnora approached, may have instigated his death.

Detective Isnora told grand jurors last year that he clipped his badge to his collar and drew his gun, shouting, “Police! Don’t move!” as he approached Mr. Bell’s Nissan Altima.

Other witnesses, mostly friends of Mr. Bell, said they never heard shouts of “Police!” Mr. Guzman and Mr. Benefield testified that they had no idea that Detective Isnora was a police officer when he walked up with his gun drawn.
 

Benny BuKu

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I have a couple of "associates" that are cops and my lil brother is tryin to join the force so I can't say I hate all cops. Listen to my verse (3rd verse) of 2Good's "Dirty Cops" where I say: "The sad part is not all of em are dicks, but the majority are grouped w/ those minority of prics".
With that said, it's becoming increasingly difficult to not say "Fuck Cops!"

I mean, this is gettin ridiculous. Apparently these plain clothers undercovers (who aren't even from Queens) roll up to a local strip joint. The cops say that Bell, Guzman and Benefield were giving these cops dirty looks and an attitude. Like if anyone of us rolled up to a local bar in a neighborhood where we've never set foot, the locals aint gonna give us a problem too. Then Bell and dem had words w/ another dude who threatened to go get a gun. So the guy leaves. Why didn't the cops follow the guy who threatened to get a gun? Instead the wait for Bell and them to leave because the cops believed Guzman (Bell's boy) had a gun in the car. So they follow Bell and them 2 blocks away. Why wouldn't they approach them as soon as they tried to enter the car? So the follow them and roll up allegedly flashing their badges. Now you can believe them or not, but either way if you get threatened, then 3 guys roll up guns drawn, are you gonna stick around to see what happens? Me? I would've ran somebody over. So Bell tries to take off and these cops unloaded. the one who fired 31 times said he ran out of bullets and reloaded because he thought he was being shot at. Hey stupid, you are being shot at, by the other cops from the opposite side of the car!

It's fuckin 2008! This is NYC...the biggest melting pot in the world. Why are cops still threatened so much by minorities? And please believe I do not condone cop killing. But I sure do understand why cops are getting shot. These are strong words....for some reason this verdict is eating me up more than any other case I can remember. I guess cause it's so close to home and to reality. I mean, the dude was gettin married. Do you really think he's out there tryin to bang on the morning of his wedding? No gun found. The dude who threatened to get a gun was questioned in court and he says that they had words..but that was it. Again.....NO GUNS WERE FOUND!!!

So now his fiance and kids are missing there husband and father and the most that could happen now is these guys losing their jobs. But that prolly won't happen either. They'll prolly just be demoted to desk duty w/ the same pay.

These cops are pussies turned tough guys cause they got badges and guns. Take that away and they aint shit!


so FUCK COPS!
 
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